Dorcas: I was curious about… Do you talk about sex with anyone? If you like, oh, I guess… Okay, sorry. Let me just reframe the question so I sound smarter on record [both laugh]. How comfortable do you feel talking about sex? And if you do talk about sex, who is it with?

Jean: I would say I'm quite uncomfortable talking about sex. Which is hilarious — that I'm doing this project. I think partly, it's probably just my semi-conservative upbringing. And partly also because I have a medium-to-fanatical belief in privacy. This is kind of a sidebar, but I find the explicitness of how queer people increasingly have to prove, or have their identities on show, for work — I guess I'm kind of speaking out of a very particular kind of context — but where creative projects really want to increase their visible ‘diversity’ and queer people have to wear their gender and sexuality and use it in a way… I think, for a lot of people, it is completely authentic. But I find it frustrating because I feel weird trying to monetise that. And I feel like we should be allowed to be queer and private about it. And it shouldn't mean that we're ashamed of it. And I think that might be a cultural thing as well, because I feel like queerness in Western spaces has very much been about being out and proud and coming out is such an important part of people's queerness. So I find the explicitness of sex and how important it is, in the West, observationally I find it interesting. I think it gets held up as the norm and something that other countries and other societies and cultures should aspire to. And while I think there's a lot of value in openness, I also don't necessarily think it's inherently better than a society that values your right to privacy and to not have to talk about it. And if you don't talk about it, it doesn't mean that you're a prude. That’s partly where my resistance to talking about sex comes from. What was the second part of the question? Who do I talk about it with? Mostly with my partner. And probably my closest couple of friends. And I'm trying to find a healthy balance where I feel able to talk about it without feeling any shame. But also not feeling like I have to talk about it to prove that I'm really progressive and cool or whatever. Choice — is really where I'm kind of at with that, and finding the spaces where I actually want to talk about it rather than feeling like I have to.